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			<title>Zarutian at 01:04, 15 March 2009</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;The concept is introduced in [http://web.archive.org/web/20071118205050/www.agorics.com/Library/agoricpapers/aos/aos.6.html#section6.1.2 Agoric Open Systems: Agoric Systems in the Large - Section 6.1.2 Hardware Encapsulation]&lt;br /&gt;
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It is criticised in [http://www.eros-os.org/~majordomo/e-lang/1075.html Against opaque boxes]&lt;br /&gt;
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Reasoning of that post was rebutted on #erights on irc.freenode.org .&lt;br /&gt;
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The rebuttal was somewhat like this:&lt;br /&gt;
  The boxes need not to trust each other. Only the developers need to trust an brand of an opaque box.&lt;br /&gt;
  Therefore what trust between two brands of opaque boxes is inhertenly based on the trust of the developer&lt;br /&gt;
  that programmed an system that could span them in these brands.&lt;/div&gt;</description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:04:34 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Zarutian</dc:creator>			<comments>http://50.77.162.165/wiki/Talk:Agoric_opaque_box</comments>		</item>
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			<title>Zarutian:&amp;#32;adding rebuttal to critism of agoric opaque boxes</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;adding rebuttal to critism of agoric opaque boxes&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is criticised in [http://www.eros-os.org/~majordomo/e-lang/1075.html Against opaque boxes]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is criticised in [http://www.eros-os.org/~majordomo/e-lang/1075.html Against opaque boxes]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;The rebuttal was somewhat like this:&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; The boxes need not to trust each other. Only the developers need to trust an brand of an opaque box.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:01:59 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Zarutian</dc:creator>			<comments>http://50.77.162.165/wiki/Talk:Agoric_opaque_box</comments>		</item>
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			<title>Zarutian:&amp;#32;just another minor edit</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;just another minor edit&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Intro to &lt;/del&gt;concept &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;goes here&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The &lt;/ins&gt;concept &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;is introduced in [http://web&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;archive.org/web/20071118205050/www.agorics.com/Library/agoricpapers/aos/aos.6.html#section6.1.2 Agoric Open Systems: Agoric Systems in the Large - Section 6.1.2 Hardware Encapsulation]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:50:21 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Zarutian</dc:creator>			<comments>http://50.77.162.165/wiki/Talk:Agoric_opaque_box</comments>		</item>
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			<title>Zarutian:&amp;#32;Adding notes</title>
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			<description>&lt;p&gt;Adding notes&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The &lt;/del&gt;concept &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;is introduced in [http://web&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;archive.org/web/20071118205050/www.agorics.com/Library/agoricpapers/aos/aos.6.html#section6.1.2 Agoric Open Systems: Agoric Systems in the Large - Section 6.1.2 Hardware Encapsulation]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Intro to &lt;/ins&gt;concept &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;goes here&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;It is criticised in [http://www.eros&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;os.org/~majordomo/e&lt;/del&gt;-&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;lang/1075.html Against opaque boxes]&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;--&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;--&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The rebuttal was somewhat like this:&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;-&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;nbsp; The boxes need not to trust each other. Only the developers need to trust an brand of an opaque box.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:39:27 GMT</pubDate>			<dc:creator>Zarutian</dc:creator>			<comments>http://50.77.162.165/wiki/Talk:Agoric_opaque_box</comments>		</item>
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